Scattered Thoughts On Feminism and Video Games

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I just wanted to talk a little bit about two massive debates going on in the feminism in gaming debate. Two tracks out there are 4chan vs. Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian’s video series.

I was actually intrigued by the initial pitch of the idea. Like, oh cool, one of those online videos but about how women are presented in video games, some compelling discussion of roles, where there are positive figures in gaming, where there’s stuff to improve upon. It seemed like a fun discussion. I don’t know how it got to be so blown up initially but I know Anita was a figure who went courting for controversy before her Kickstarter.

I supported her Kickstarter at the time and I must say it has definitely felt like just tossing money down a hole. That’s not unique to her because that’s the overall feel of Kickstarting anything. But she definitely has promised stuff which I’ve never even seen. There’s a lot of stuff I’ve supported where I only get crickets in return. My beef with her is solely in this department. She hasn’t delivered on her project promise.

The videos are standard…vaguely around WatchMojo quality…Donna is far less charitable. And from what I’ve heard discussed, the meat of the videos themselves is best, lacking. Now if this were hard-hitting, informative and provocative stuff then I could say, yeah, she did her homework over the now years she’s been in-production on this stuff.

Compare your average Youtuber who can put together daily or weekly content without the support system of over 100,000 dollars for a production. That’s motion picture level funding. Granted, she was only asking for a few thousand to start and that was likely more than enough. It’s entirely fair to question why only a handful of the promised series have been produced given the excess of funds and time. But again, same thing for all Kickstarters.

That said, the loudest people against her are complete assholes. They would be complete assholes anyway. You go and threaten her family and shit like that, you deserve to be kicked into a deep hole Spartan-style. You’re not adding anything to a discussion.

Now the other thing was Zoe Quinn and 4chan. I am going to lay out the details as best as I can understand it. The Fine Young Capitalists, a group planning to create a game jam event focused on female game devs funded through Indiegogo. 4chan jumped at the 5000 dollar mark for a custom character….Vivian James, the anthropomorphic version of /v/ in female form. Close enough to zappy to make me smirk. Also the proceeds would go to charity.

Then they got shut down. There was a lot of talk about Zoe Quinn railing against them

This video offers a lot of the background so far as I understand it. I don’t know how far Zoe Quinn actually went to sabotage the game jam, doxxing and whatnot. It’s the internet, it’s hard to prove some shit. But it seems clear she was behaving selfishly against the campaign.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d6Q3V…

4chan’s Vivian James kinda caught fire as a neat fan creation. Along with still wanting to make the character, there’s a lot of charity shirts and donations for….I’m not sure of the organization but I think they wanted to put it towards The Colon Cancer Alliance….I’m sure you can figure out the comment being made about Zoe Quinn on your own.

In short, I was exceptionally proud of 4chan….as much as I think I could be…with qualification. I think the two situations kinda paint a picture for me.

The problem is the extremists. There are a lot of extremists on both sides and they’re honestly a minority. As it often is in situations like this. The problem is that I see Sarkeesian and Quinn also as extremists in this debate. Unilateral and unwilling to engage in debate but rather “I want what I want” as a message instead of any progress. So it’s like extremists bumping heads against each other…

Also I gotta say I’m disappointed with Joss Whedon jumping in to the fray. I’m no fan of frays. Ultimately, gaming has vast systemic issues beyond mere gender roles. It’s like saying “society’s problem is gender roles”….that’s one issue. There’s so much more and it has so many threads running through it.

What do you do? Well the 4chan campaign is an example of a good start. A community sourcing an idea for a character that isn’t your usual female game character. It seems to be something everyone wants. I’d honestly be happy if Ubisoft let there be more choice in assassin genders. It’s all about choice for me. I want zappy choice. I want all sorts of choice. I want fun. I don’t want rote clichés walked out there.

There’s plenty of good examples out there but they’re not the blockbusters. If we just had more opportunities to create the fun stuff. Create zappy, create interesting characters, create new types of games….I think gaming as a whole would be a lot healthier than “we need that floor to look all glossy on 4K resolution.”

Priorities...

This reflection kinda petered out because I really have no idea which part of the mess of problems needs addressing first but I feel 4chan, more than anyone else, is leading the discussion the right way….which is probably the most disturbing notion I’ve ever faced…but there it is.

Not much going on with me. Still writing. I have a nefariously cute plan for something but that’s about it ^^.

PS - My last comment on the Sarkeesian issue is summed up thusly. If you gave a youtuber like Stephen Georg 160,000 dollars to make videos about women in games, you bet your ass you would get a hell of a lot more production-wise, discussion and content (and probably still have a lot of money left over for even more things) than you can shake a stick at....especially since he's nearly as frugal as my friend Donna.

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And now for NEWS, PICS, and PONIES.

NEWS
[link] - New 3DS.
[link] - Live Anime.
[link] - Can Doraemon overcome Frozen?
[link] - No pantsu.
[link] - Titanic Titan figure.
[link] - What we fear.
[link] - Bureaucratic Hell.
[link] - Singing Volcano.
[link] - Sexualized comic males.
[link] - Sheeple.
[link] - Gothic.
[link] - Light.
[link] - Fly!
[link] - Alternate Endings.
[link] - Take that!
[link] - X_X…
[link] - Prepare for Left 4 Dead 2 or The Last of Us in reality form, which ever comes first.
[link] - Yay!
[link] - Watson.
[link] - Implantable tech.
[link] - Future.
[link] - Netflix.
[link] - Random Wikipedia Entry.

PICS
[link] - In your own skin.
[link] - ANT POWER!
[link] - Two ways.
[link] - O_O.
[link] - Hmm.
[link] - windy.
[link] - Tail.
[link] - More tail!
[link] - Pink.
[link] - In shadow.
[link] - Rainbow.
[link] - Nom.
[link] - The world of Madoka.
[link] - Sunflowers.
[link] - All’s right in the world.
[link] - More sunflowers.
[link] - Penguin.
[link] - Flappy Flan.
[link] - Silica.  
[link] - Wind.
[link] - Since she’s not a kitty.
[link] - Space.
[link] - Tilt.
[link] - Painted Garage.
[link] - Poof!
[link] - Pixel.
[link] - All the arts.  
[link] - Heh.
[link] - Splooosh!
[link] - Twitchy.
[link] - Faces…
[link] - Finish off my favorite way.
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It's actually very simple.

Sexualization of characters (both "fictional" and otherwise) whether part of the story and/or just fanservice
happens for the same reason why ancient cultures portrayed thier gods and goddesses in the nude:
The artists considered it an honest complient to beauty in general.

Kratos from God of war wears nothing but a loin cloth, is buff and you can see his nipples. Does anyone care? Appearently not. www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrActT…
Duke Nukem is also seriously out of proportion, if any male was as huge as he is, his skin would literally rip open from not being able to contain the hulk muscle.

Above all, I am an anthropic mechanist.

This means that I consider all biological lifeforms on this planet to literally be natural biological robots because nerves use eletricity in the same way as wires.
There are several different implications of the philosophy:
1. Medical Organ Transplants are possible because it is taking spare parts from one machine and putting into another, much like an automobile or computer.
It might be a squishy heart or liver, but it's still a spare part nonetheless.
2. Pacemakers, hearing aids, and modern prototype cyborg technology www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDnzRY…
only exist because they are a way of attaching one machine, to another machine.
3. race/skin colour is completely irrelevant because if a red robot was arguing with a green robot about their colours, that would be really stupid because
they could just paint themselves a different colour whenever they want.
Nowadays we can do the same thing with spray tans, tatoos and hair dyes. Not to mention getting a natural tan.

Therefore, it is literally physically and logically impossible to "objectify" a woman or a man or even an animal or a plant or a fungus,
because it is not possible to make a human being into more (or less) of an object than he/she/it already is.
I am an object, you are an object, everyone is. It is literally impossible for us to not be objects, and us being objects is a good thing because that is what allows us to exist and what allows medicine to exist.

So people need to stop accusing others of "objectifying", because they are accusing people of doing something that is literally impossible to do.

Combine that with how in the old days men were not allowed to be house husbands, as they were just as forced into gender roles as women were,
and how tons of people have been using femenism as an excuse to drop bombs on the middle east and slaughter the people living there:
"Oh no, those muslim women are forced to wear weird looking clothes by thier patriarch husbands, we should kill them all because of it!" <-(people actually say this, and often)
despite how those muslim women enjoy wearing those covering clothes, hence why they continue to wear them even after moving/immigrating to north america
and they also wear those clothes because the middle east is fully of sandy desserts (like egypt) so the covering clothes keep sun off thier skin to prevent dehydration and sunburns,
while also keeping the sand and wind out of thier hair. This is also the reason why the men wear robes and turbans and the like.

As far as I can tell, all feminism is not only full of blatantly false crap, it is also outright dangerous.

I mean, having stay at home fathers and working mothers is fine, but I also think feminism actually hurt people's ability to do that,
because many employers in the past and today used it as way to secretly lobby for a vastly reduced minimum wage so they could intentionally underpay immigrants. (including white immigrants, hence why it's not a race issue either)
and severly damaged the economy because many feminists use "i'm oppresed" as a wild card excuse to get government welfare, many of whom didn't need it and simply lied about the oppression to begin with,
thus creating an exxcessive welfare state status around the world that right now is currently a leading factor to so many entire countries declaring bankruptcy at around the same time (financial crash of 2008)
which is causing instability and thus by extension encouraging countries to go war with one another.

All the while having women in the military is causing the military industrial complex to grow even larger, which is encouraging even more war, when if anything having less men and women soldiers would be ideal to fix that.

To say that this goes far far beyond video games is an understatement.
As such, the words "who cares?" applies here, because video games are the least of our worries, or at least they should be. People really need to get their priorities straight.